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Page should be moved to PCBA and made a variant of Reactbert or Hoppeanism

User:FanOfWolves - There is nothing that really separates this ideology from being nothing more than a Polish variant of Reactionary Libertarianism or Hoppeanism. Using the latter as a comparison; Hoppes and Korwin's political views are exactly the same, and, by the same logic that Korwinism should stay, Wagnerism and Trumpism should be moved back from PCBA.
User:DrBlueGun -The comment abowe is an absolute LIE! Hoppe's and Korwin's political views are NOT the same, as Hoppe only proves that monatchy is better than democracy, when Korwin advocates for it, moreover Hoppe is AnCapist (no state), while Korwin is liberal (pro very limited state), therefore Korwinism is it's own unique political ideology.
BTW FanOfWolves is a commie, therefore he hates everything B A S E D like Korwinism.

Nvm. I no longer believe that Korwinism should be moved to PCBA. - FanOfWolves (talk) 04:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Transhumanist Korwinism?

JustaWorker - Does anyone(DrBlueGun or DualPlay or any other polish/korwinist) knows anything about it? Like any theorist? Facebook posts? Anything?

•  DualPlay  - Not very much info about that. Expect some memes. Check "korwinator".
• User:DrBlueGun - Mostly it's just a reference to old meme about JKM being a cyborg fueled by sugar with ozjasz.exe software that often fail or memes about freedom to modifications or refrence to him selfrefering as sociocyberneticist.

Michalkiewicz and slander about his alleged "antisemitism"

Just because you call someone antisemitic, it doesn't mean he is, mr. FanOfWolves.

• Just because you quote him, it doesn't mean he becomes somehow "antisemitic".
• Saying that Israel and/or Jewish International Organizations wants to rob in Poland, is statement of FACT, not proof on "antisemitism".
• Just because you are lie about meaning of his words, it doesn't make him "antisemitic".
• Just because you repeat leftoid propaganda, it doesn't make him "antisemitic".
  

DrBlueGun (talk) 18:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• - retarded excuses and double standards
• Also, he was explicitly anti-semitic. Read these
  • On 27 March 2006 speaking on Radio Maryja, he made antisemitic remarks when he said that "Jews are trying to force a ransom from our government which they covertly call restitution". Michalkiewicz also said the country was being "humiliated" by Jews "at the site of the former death camp Auschwitz" and in April, 2006, was reported in Gazeta Wyborcza as stating that "men from Judea ... are trying to surprise us from behind", and referring to the World Jewish Congress as "a main firm in the Holocaust Industry". Michalkiewicz responded by calling Gazeta Wyborcza "an unusual example of the Jewish fifth column in Poland" and "a Jewish newspaper for Poles". He was investigated by prosecutors for "publicly insulting members of the population due to their nationality.
  • "It is worth recalling who is intriguing so much against President Trump. Namely, among his enemies, two centers can be distinguished. The first is the American Jewish communists, and the second is the local security services, i.e. the FBI. Both the Jewish communists, as well as the security services, practice their " royal arts ", just like the Masons do." - Michalkiewicz
  • Michalkiewicz publicly promotes antisemitic conspiracy myths, including presenting Jews as enemies of Poland who seek to seize power ('Jewish occupation'), accusing them of reaping financial and political benefits from the Holocaust (the author even undermines this concept), as well as the desire to destroy the foundations of Latin civilization

He literally spread the Judeo-Bolshevism conspiracy theory. Come on. That is anti-Semitic. Also, the second point is blatantly anti-Semitic because it implies that Jews are stealing from Polish people. Although I think that I used too much sources; the source about him praising Trump for "fighting against Jewish Communists" was enough evidence. FanOfWolves (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• - That's what I'm saying..

"Double standards"? Say you don't know what "Double standards" means without saying you don't know what "Double standards" means XD
Let's go point by point then:

• First point:
  • "Jews are trying to force a ransom from our government which they covertly call restitution" that's not antisemitic, that's just a FACT.
  • Refering to Gazeta Wyborcza? Really? What's next: CNN? MSNBC? Wyborcza is well known fake-news and pure propaganda factory that nobody mentally stable takes serious.
  • "the country was being "humiliated" by Jews "at the site of the former death camp Auschwitz", well, YES, as Israel constantly tries to force Poland into confession of participation in the Holocaust, which is absurd.
  • "a main firm in the Holocaust Industry" no antisemitism here.
  • "Michalkiewicz responded by calling Gazeta Wyborcza "an unusual example of the Jewish fifth column in Poland" and "a Jewish newspaper for Poles", Pure FACTS.
  • "He was investigated by prosecutors for "publicly insulting members of the population due to their nationality", indictment =/= guilt.
• Second point:
  • Pure FACTS and no antisemitism at ALL.
• Third point:
  • "Michalkiewicz publicly promotes antisemitic conspiracy myths", source? I guess none.
  • "reaping financial and political benefits from the Holocaust" what Israel and Jewish International Organisations has been doing for almost 80 years if not gaining power and money by guiltripping european governments into paying them?
  • "as well as the desire to destroy the foundations of Latin civilization" just look at the the ancestry of most marxists, postmodernists, feminists and progressives.
  • "He literally spread the Judeo-Bolshevism conspiracy theory." what theory? That after WW2 around 1/5 of PZPR activists were of jewish origin, in country with jewish population almost wiped out by nazis just few years before. Do you really believe, that pointing out such FACT is somehow antisemitic, please?
  • "implies that Jews are stealing from Polish people" not "are stealing", but "want to steal". Just look at "Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today (JUST) Act of 2017" being a planned plan for the robbery of heirless property, once owned by polish Jews, by Jewish International Organisations.
  • "the source about him praising Trump for "fighting against Jewish Communists" was enough evidence" no, it's not, as it doesn't imply any kind of antisemitism, just anticommunism, which is BASED. Fuck Bernie Sanders and his supporters, commie scum.
    

DrBlueGun (talk) 20:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

He said that Trump was fighting against JEWISH communists. That is promotion of the Judeo-Bolshevism conspiracy theory and is anti-Semitic. That is the same conspiracy theory that the Nazi's used to justify the Holocaust.

"as well as the desire to destroy the foundations of Latin civilization" just look at the the ancestry of most marxists, postmodernists, feminists and progressives." The fuck? This is blatantly anti-Semitic and is nothing different than something a altoid would say on Twitter. Stop glazing Korwin and understand that not every news source that doesn't has a left-wing bias. FanOfWolves (talk) 20:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

You're only argument against this is that "He is, and that's based" - FanOfWolves (talk) 20:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• "That is promotion of the Judeo-Bolshevism conspiracy theory and is anti-Semitic." just because you repeat that, it doeasn't change it into a sentence that has any meaning. Or maybe you gonna say that Bernie Sanders isn't jewish? A progressive socialist would lie, old, well known.
  
• Moreover, Michalkiewicz has never said that every commie is a Jew, nor that every Jew is commie. This sounds more like your delusions. A progressive socialist would be delusional, old, well known.
  
• "That is the same conspiracy theory that the Nazi's used to justify the Holocaust." thats the dumbest statement I've ever heard. Nazis were killing Jews because they have seen them as Capitalists using communism, not commies. Why would Nazis would kill their fellow socialists? A progressive socialist would try to cut off himself from nazi origins of his ideas, old, well known.
  
• Wait, wait, wait, Żydokomuna have nothing to do with pre-WW2 era, but post-WW2 era, as I have explained ealier. (point 3.4.)
  
• "This is blatantly anti-Semitic" no, it's a FACT. DO you believe that facts and reality is antisemitic? A progressive socialist would feel oppressed by reality, old, well known.
  
• "not every news source that doesn't has a left-wing bias" I have never stated that. I just have said that Gazeta Wyborcza is nothing more than leftoid propaganda for polish oikophobes. A progressive socialist would lie and be delusional, old, well known.
  
• A progressive socialist, left without any arguments, starts lying and slandering by spreading most obvious misinterpretation of opponent's words, old, well known.

DrBlueGun (talk) 21:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Anti-communism is not only a duty but also a pleasure for every human being (especially from a post-communist country) DrBlueGun (talk) 21:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

1. The Judeo-Bolshevism conspiracy theory alleges that Jews where behind the Russian Revolution and the creation of communism. The Nazi's used this to justify the Holocaust alongside accusations of Jewish people also being behind the creation of other things.
2. How is that not anti-Semitic? You implied that "Marxists, postmodernists, and progressives" are all Jewish. That is an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, not a fact. You are just proving the point I said earlier that you are basically saying "Yes, he is anti-Semitic, and that is BASED and REDPILED!"
3. How am I "misinterpreting his words" He said that Trump was being conspired against by Jewish communists. How is that not anti-Semitic? And if you respond with "tHaTs A fAcT" you are proving my point more. Also, the source of that is from his own blog.

FanOfWolves (talk) 21:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Sounds like some commie revisionism, as their tried to cut off themselves from their past and cooperation with nazis. I've told you, "Żydokomuna" is a post-WW2 term relating to extreme overrepresentation of people with jewish origin in PZPR (soviet-puppet party in post-war Poland). A progressive socialist would be historical revisionist, old, well known.
• How mant times you can lie? When have I said that "ALL of them" were jewish? Moreover I have never said Michalkiewicz is antisemitic, you have, constantly. I've just said that he is ANTICOMMUNIST, therefore BASED. You are the only one trying to tie up Jews with Communism. A progressive socialist would be using obvious projection, old, well known.
• "How is that not anti-Semitic?" well, it's not. Burden of proof is still on you, mate. A progressive socialist cannot into facts, logic and discussion, old, well known.
• "Also, the source of that is from his own blog." as it's proofs nothing more that he stated a FACT, that people like Bernie and FBI were against Trump. A progressive socialist would lie, old, well known.
  

DrBlueGun (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

If that phrase was just anti-communist and not also anti-Semitic, he wouldn't have pointed out that Bernie (even if he was talking about him in the first place) was Jewish, and would've just said that he was a woke communist or something. Also, you're proving my point again. - FanOfWolves (talk) 21:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Tell me you have no idea about polish political commentary, without saying you have no idea about polish political commentary. It was 2018, there was no such thing in Poland as "SJW" or "Woke" and Michalkiewicz is early Baby Boomer, who doesn't care about new, trendy terms. Even today "woke" is rarely mentioned by other polish political commentators and even if, it is often used wrongly.
Moreover, how the hell someone constantly praising Mises, Rothbard, Friedman and even Rand (as Michalkiewicz and Korwin do) can be in any way, shape or form "antisemitic"? (I could mention the famous division into three types of Jews often brought up by Korwin, but you don't deserve such knowledge).
Pointing out Bernie's (but not only his) jewish origin is nothing more than stating a fact. If he would be black, latino, german or any other obvious origin, it would be, most probably, also pointed out.
Michalkiewicz was gentle in his comment, as Korwin often called Bernie Sanders as "Stara Żydokomuna Galicyjska" (ang. Old Galician Judeo-Communist) as, in this case, it is reference more to his ideas and rhetorics than origin. And it's still not some imaginary antisemitism. The only point I'm proving is that you are delusional.
DrBlueGun (talk) 22:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

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